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TERRY LINEAGE GROUP 1 - Discussion

Haplogroup I2a

(This is of course a work in progress)

Southside Virginia refers to the south-central part of the state, roughly bounded by the James River on the north, the Blue Ridge Mountains on the west, and the South Hampton Roads area on the east. The major center of the "Southside Virginia" area is generally considered to be Danville. It appears most of the families in this group are genetically early Terry families in the region called "Southside Virginia".  Source: Wikpedia the Free Encyclopedia 

Thirty three individuals in this group who have DNA tested as of January 28, 2010: AT-1, T-2, T-3, T-9, T-10,T-11, T-16, T-17, T-18, T-20, T-21, T-23, T-24, T-31, T-38, T-40, T-42, T-43, T-45, T-46, T-50, T-51, T-55, T-57, T-58, T-61, T-63, T-65 and T-66, T-72, T-73, T-76, T-78.

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Three individuals match exactly 67/67, the modal values for Terry Lineage Group 1

T-50 Roland D. Terry b 20 Jul 1874 Dallas Co AL m Mary Ann Hooks d 10 Oct 1951 Bullock Co AL - Spurgeon Terry [spurgeon AT md.metrocast.net]
T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1701 m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com]
T-43 William Terry  b Abt. 1744; d about 20 Mar 1804 in Anson Co, NC m  Abt. 1764 Anne Raiford - Hoyt Terry [highstick AT comporium.net]

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Stephen Terry,  b ca 1700, Hanover CO., VA - Bryan Terry [bryanswork AT yahoo.com] T-10
Stephen had documented sons from deeds as follows: James Terry and Roland Terry.

Based on DNA evidence and documentation this particular Stephen Terry is related to everyone in the group. We are unable at this point to determine who his father might be. There are documents in Hanover and Louisa County Virginia tying this man to descendants in Granville County, North Carolina. His age is estimated based on the estimated ages of two of his male children: James d. 1783 Louisa Co. Virginia and Rowland Terry later of Granville County, North Carolina. There is no evidence indicating Stephen Terry of Hanover ever lived in Granville Co. North Carolina. This Stephen Terry d. after 1763 and before 1783 as his son James Terry in his Will [Louisa Co. Virginia Book 2, page 493 written 11 Aug 1783 and proven 11 Aug 1783] indicates “that my wife possess during her life that part of my estate that falls to me in the division of my father’s estate….”  

Roland or Rowland Terry's ancestors migrated from Granville County, North Carolina to Jackson/Putnam Counties, Tennessee. There are many descendants in this area today. The late Jay Terry of Orem, Utah and the late Woodford Terry of Oakridge, Tennessee are of this line. Both T-24 Benjamin Terry  b. ca 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] and T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 match on 37/37 markers with T-10. The link to the right will take you to: Granville County Records. 

• Roland D. Terry b 20 Jul 1874 Dallas Co AL m Mary Ann Hooks d 10 Oct 1951 Bullock Co AL - Spurgeon Terry [spurgeon AT md.metrocast.net]
  • Spurgeon D. Terry b 25 Feb 1899 Perry Co AL m Faytie Lee Dailey d 15 Nov 1960 T-50

Roland D. Terry lived his entire life in Alabama. His parents are unproven at this time; however, he matches perfectly on the first 12 markers with 13 individuals in the group. Basically, the first 12 DYS marker values which define this group are 13, 23, 15,10,12,15,11,15,12,13,11, 29. On the 37 marker test he is a 100 percent match with T-10, T-24, and T-42. A genetic distance of 0 indicates these individualas are  "Tightly Related" according to Family Tree DNA. We are awaiting death certificate information which may name his parents. 

John W. Terry, b between 1808-1810 VA d 28 Nov 1884 Hanover Co. VA - Richard W. Terry, Jr. [rickterry349 AT adelphia.net] T-38

John W. Terry lived his entire life in Hanover County, Virginia. His parents are unknown; however, he matches perfectly on the first 12 markers with 13 individuals in the group. Basically, the first 12 DYS marker values which define this group are 13, 23, 15,10,12,15,11,15,12,13,11, 29.  We now have 37 marker test for T-38 and a comparison with T-20 is shown.. 

This result seems to confirm a close relationship between Stephen Terry d. 1769 in South Carolina and the Hanover County, Virginia John Terry with a genetic distance of 1 or "Tightly Related". A genetic distance of 2 exists or "Related" between T-38 and T-9 George W. Terry, T-10 Rowland Terry, T-11  Josiah or Joseph Terry, T-24 Benjamin Terry and T-42 Stephen Terry and suggests a relationship with the Pittsylvania/Halifax County, Virginia Terrys. Of course, we do have documents concerning Stephen Terry who died sometime between 1763-1783 of Hanover who deeded property in Granville County, North Carolina to his son Rowland Terry T-10 and James Terry of Louisa. This is of course not the T-2 and T-20 Stephen Terry who died in 1769 in Craven or Chester County, South Carolina. However, they are genetically related as results indicate.

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• Henry Terry b Abt. 1812 in NC m Ailsey Campbell d after 1850 prob TN  - Danny E. Terry [Dannyedwardterry AT hotmail.com]
  • Daniel Luna Terry b 03 Apr 1845 in Bedford (or Gibson) Co TN m Clara H. Taylor d 23 Apr 1925 in Greene Co AR
    • James Luna Terry I, b 03 Jan 1882 in Rector, Clay Co AR m Margaret Sarah Hostetler d 21 Jan 1942 in Earle, Crittenden Co AR
      • Living Terry - T-65
        Note: Danny believes the family may have originated in Wake Co NC.
        
        
        
• Champness Terry m Christian ?? d Bet. 18 Mar 1757 - 25 Mar 1758 Louisa Co VA - William P. Terry [WPandTDT AT aol.com]
  • Henry Terry d 1784 m Margaret ?? d Bet. 08 Dec 1783 - 19 Apr 1784 Pittsylvania Co VA
    • Barton Terry m Susannah ?? d 1821 in Pittsylvania Co VA
      • David W. Terry m Lettice (Letty) Nash d 12 Nov 1865 at age 95 in Pittsylvania Co VA
        • Edward W. Terry b Bet. 1823 and 1825 in Pittsylvania Co VA m Janet (Jane) Giles d Pittsylvania Co VA
          • George Henry Terry b 26 Jan 1858 Pittslyvania Co VA m1) Martha Jane Compton m2) Lemma/Summer Blanche Shields d 08 Jul 1922 Pittsylvania Co VA
            • William/Willie Pritchett Terry, Sr b 19 Nov 1888 in Slatesville, Pittsylvania Co VA m Gwendolyn Marie Rey d 12 Dec 1957 in Richmond, VA
            • Living Terry - T-66

Champness Terry above is 67/65 match with T-20 Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC
Champness Terry above is 67/65 match with T-65 Henry Terry b Abt. 1812 in NC m Ailsey Campbell d after 1850 prob TN
Champness Terry above is a 67/64 match with T-24 Benjamin Terry d 1771 Pittsylvania Co VA. 

Benjamin Terry, b c 1701 m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com] T-24
Benjamin Terry had documented sons in his Will of 1771 as follows: Nathaniel, Benjamin, Peter, Joseph and Robert Terry.

Benjamin Terry is one of the oldest "documented" Terry ancestors in the group from Virginia and he perfectly matches the modal values for Group 1 indicating he is the closest match to the MRCA (Most recent common ancestor) for the whole group. Benjamin’s oldest son Nathaniel Terry (1725-1778) married Sarah Royall. Nathaniel Terry was a member of the House of Burgesses and of the House of Delegates. He died, Halifax County, Virginia. This older Benjamin Terry had a daughter Sarah Terry who married Champness Terry, the son of Joseph Terry died about Dec 1785 Pittsylvania County, Virginia and his wife Judith Crawford. This Champness Terry died between 1775 and 1779 in South Carolina. Champness and Sarah had a son also named Champness (1772-1820) who died in St. Helena Parish, Louisiana. 

The link to the right will take you to records about Benjamin Terry: South Side Terry Families

Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson]  - Margie Brown - [mgbrown105@aol.com]
See notes above for T-24.

A short discussion about the matches between T-20, T-23, T-24, T-20 and T-63 below

Benjamin Terry m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com] T-24

Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - - Mary Terry Webster [bee-gard AT att.net] T-20  [See also results for T-2 a 3^rd cousin]

Henry Terry b ca 1802 VA m ca 1835 Nancy Elizabeth Daniel - Robert "Bob" Terry [bob0130 AT gotsky.com] T-63
Note: These are the "Red Level", Covington County, Alabama Terrys.

The probability that T-63 shared a common ancestor with T-24 is: 8 generations 95.27%; 12 generations is 99.32%; 16 generations is 99.91 %; 20 generations is 99.99%; 24 generations is100%.

The probability that T-63 shared a common ancestor with T-20 is: 8 generations 85.41%; 12 generations is 97.05%; 16 generations is 99.49 %; 20 generations is 99.92%; 24 generations is 99.99%.

The probability that T-63 shared a common ancestor with T-23 is: 8 generations 85.45%; 12 generations is 97.06%; 16 generations is 99.49 %; 20 generations is 99.92%; 24 generations is 99.99%.

T-63 and T-24 are a genetic distance of 1 and a genetic distance of 2 with T-20 and T-23. According to FTNDA if you have a 65-66/67 match you are “tightly related”  they go on to say “Very few people achieve this close level of a match. All confidence levels are well within the time frame that surnames were adopted in Western Europe.”

I should note first cousins and brothers with the same surname will predictably match 37/37. We see a verification of this in comparing T-3 and T-61 in the Terry DNA study. So these results are significant for the Group I Terry Lineage.

Mike Terry

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Stephen Terry, b ca 1700 VA d aft Feb 1762 - William P. Terry [wterry AT dccnet.com] T-21
This person has only tested 12 markers; however, documents are available indicating he is a traditional cousin of T-10. For this reason he is included in Group 1. In addition he has a double Terry line as both his maternal and paternal Terry ancestors were related.

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Stephen Terry, b ca 1724 m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Robert Mike Terry [mterry3158 AT sbcglobal.net] T-2
Stephen Terry had documented sons as follows: John who died in Chester County, South Carolina and Benjamin Terry who died in Abbeville County, South Carolina..

This is the Co-Coordinator of the Terry DNA Project and former editor of the Terry Family Historian. Web master for the Terry Family Historian web site. See the notes for the same individual below for my cousin Mary Webster T-20.

Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mary Terry Webster [bee-gard AT att.net] T-20
The male individuals who tested in this study T-2 and T-20 are 3^rd cousins twice removed. Their most recent common ancestor is known and there is a definite date of 1788 which is the year of birth for Major Stephen Terry later of Atlanta, Georgia. The estimated age of this older Stephen Terry is based on the age of his first son John Terry (1752-1834) of Chester County, South Carolina.  There is no indication in records I have seen in 30 or more years of research indicating where the family originated from in the American Colonies. Obviously, now in 2006-2007 we know it is Virginia. We know this older Stephen Terry was a carpenter and received early grants in Craven County now Chester County, South Carolina in 1762.  The older Stephen Terry married the widow of George Glover, Susannah Glover nee Mitchell, shortly after his wife Sarah died. It is important to note both George Glover and Susannah Mitchell’s parents were of Granville, North Carolina.  The last name of Sarah the first wife of this older Stephen Terry is not known. Some have suggested Sarah Davis and Sarah Fuqua neither of which I believe to be true.

Note by Mike Terry, the editor: I think the benefits of the 67 marker update are apparent several places in Group 1. There are mutations that happened in my family after 1788 as I stated above. My cousin’s test (T-20) is much closer to Benjamin Terry (T-24) than mine. On 67 markers my test shows a genetic distance between (T-2 and T-24) of 3 and conversely I am a genetic distance of 4 with my documented cousin (T-2 and T-20). However, T-20 my cousin and T-24 are a genetic distance of 2. If you look at the specific markers where T-20 differs from T-24, you will notice T-2 markers are congruent with T-24 in those places. Without the additional markers we would not have known this. I believe this is also true for the Lawrence Co. Alabama Terry descendants who have tested in Group 1. Some of them have mutations later in the lines and some are closer to Benjamin Terry T-24 as well. I suspect if these men upgrade you will also be able to see where the mutations may have occurred. Many of the differences are in the red marker areas where we would expect faster mutations. -- This leads me to think some of us are much closer than the actual test results may suggest in Group 1.

The FTDNATiP results are based on the mutation rate study presented during the 1st International Conference on Genetic Genealogy, on Oct. 30, 2004. The above probabilities take into consideration the mutation rates for each individual marker being compared.

Stephen Terry, d. 12 Dec 1769, Chester Co., SC, m.(1) Sarah ____ - Stephen Mark Hunter [markhunterbburg AT yahoo.com]
This individual is a cousin of T-20 and T-2. Mark Hunter is related through both Benjamin Terry (1755 – 1831) and John Terry (1752-1834) sons of Stephen Terry d. 1769. Both his Hunter and Terry families removed from Chester County to Abbeville County, South Carolina and were there for several years after 1830. This Benjamin Terry did marry 05 Aug 1777, Susannah Caruthers in Guilford County, North Carolina. As far as we know, this Benjamin Terry had no male heirs and his daughter Sarah Terry married her first cousin Jeremiah Sealy Terry (1778-1823), the son of John (1752-1834) by his first wife Sarah Sealy (1757-1778).

For an excellent insight into plantation life at the time see Mark Hunter's website about family of Alexander Hunter.

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William Hamilton Terry, b. ca 1824 Limestone Co. AL m Evelina Tabitha Taylor d. ca 1885 Madison Co TN - Carolyn Kemp [chilkoot AT speednetllc.com] T-17
The sons of William Hamilton Terry are as follows: William Webster, James H. and John Terry. 

It is not known how this person fits in with any known documents; however, the ancestor is a perfect 37/37 or genetic distance of 0 match with T-2 Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC. The family of William H. Terry migrates from Limestone County, Alabama to Tennessee where we also find other Terry's from Lawrence County and Limestone County, Alabama. A comparison of T-17 with T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 is also shown below. See Lawrence County, Alabama family of Elisha Terry.

The FTDNATiP results are based on the mutation rate study presented during the 1st International Conference on Genetic Genealogy, on Oct. 30, 2004. The above probabilities take into consideration the mutation rates for each individual marker being compared.

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Stephen Terry, b 1787 NC m. Martha Patience Breeland - Kay Terry [jmalcomterry AT bellsouth.net] T-18
Sons of Stephen Terry are as follows; Sanford Raimey and Abraham Breeland Terry.

This individual (T-18) is a genetic distance of 3 on 37 markers with T-10 Stephen Terry, b ca 1700 VA d aft Feb 1762;  T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA; T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 and T-46 William B. Terry, b 1797 d 1878 Orange Co NC.

Benjamin Terry had a daughter Sarah Terry who married Champness Terry, the son of Joseph Terry died about Dec 1785 Pittsylvania County, Virginia and his wife Judith Crawford. This Champness Terry died between 1775 and 1779 in South Carolina. Champness and Sarah had a son also named Champness (ca 1772-1820) who died in St. Helena Parish, Louisiana. His wife Hanna Musgrove is in the 1840 census of Washington Parish LA. He had a number of slave purchases/sales from this area 1803-1818 Afro-Louisiana History and Genealogy 1718-1820.  Type the name Terry in the Master's name search box and you will see Champness was buying slaves from a William Coleman. Stephen Terry (T-18) is in the St. Tammany Parish census in 1840. St. Tammany included what is now Washington Parish (1819) and Tangiapahoa Parish (1869).

While we have no documentation these Terry men are related; I would suggest they would probably be "genetic cousins" if we were to find male Terry descendants. 

The link to the right will take you to records about Benjamin Terry: South Side Terry Families  The information about the Champness Terry and Hanna Musgrove family was from Margie Brown. 

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Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC m. Suvicy Perry - Stephen Terry [sdterry AT eos.ncsu.edu] T-11
Sons of Josiah Terry are as follows: William H., James Anderson and Joseph Terry.

This individual Terry  family has been in the Wake County, North Carolina area for generations. T-11 has a genetic distance of 1 with T-20 Stephen Terry, b ca 1724 m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC. There are no documents indicating any relationship between the families. Josiah is sometimes noted as Joseph Terry in the records of Wake County. A comparison of T-11 Josiah Terry with T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] indicates a genetic distance of 2. The link to the right will take you to records concerning this family: Wake County, North Carolina Records.

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George W. Terry b 1805 NC, m Ada Elam d. 1841 Panola Co. MS - C. Morris Terry [hildieterry AT aol.com] T-9
Sons of George W. Terry are as follows: William E. and Robert Terry

The ancestor  of this family is unknown. At one time it was thought the family might be related to the Lawrence Co. Alabama group. Recent tests indicate this may still be true. On a 37 marker comparison T-9 George W. Terry b 1805 NC is a genetic distance of 1 (tightly related) with T-20 Stephen Terry, b ca 1724 m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC and a genetic distance of 2 (related) with T-10 Stephen Terry, b ca 1700 VA d aft Feb 1762, T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] , T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 and T-11 Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC m. Suvicy Perry . This means he is closer to the modal values of Benjamin Terry and Stephen Terry m. Martha Bracken.

? Terry, b. c1760 VA - James L Terry [JTerry4772 AT aol.com]
Henderson Terry, b. c1793 NC, d. c1855, Lawrence Co., AL T-3

It is believed Henderson Terry T-3, Joseph T-45 and Stephen Terry T-42 are brothers and the children of Nancy Terry and husband unknown. See Lawrence County Alabama Descendants. James L. Terry has large database of descendants of Nancy Terry and her husband.

Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 - Billy D. Terry [Cupt104 AT aol.com] T-42
Stephen Terry had sons as follows: William C., John Franklin, Thomas, Stephen,  John Tobe, Edward, Squire Coleman and John H. Terry.

It is believed Henderson Terry T-3, Joseph T-45 and Stephen Terry T-42 are brothers and the children of Nancy Terry and husband unknown. See Lawrence County Alabama Descendants. There is a very large contingent of Terry descendants out of this Alabama county. 

This seems to be born out by the DNA results to date which is to be expected as there is traditional documentation to support the family ties. 

 A genetic distance of  0 on 37 markers between T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825, T-10 Stephen Terry,  b ca1700, Hanover CO., VA and  T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA is very interesting suggesting these men are "related". Prior to the test by T-42,  T-3 did not seem to be a very close match. It suggests there were mutations in the family of T-3 Henderson Terry occurring in later generations. It would be very interesting to see how increased testing by members in the Lawrence County, Alabama Group might match the modal values for Group 1.

Stephen Terry b. abt 1790 NC  m.  Martha Bracken - Sharon T. Engle [sengle00 AT aol.com]

See discussion for T-3, T-42 and T-45.

Joseph Terry  b Abt. 1806 in NC? m 11 Sep 1832 Rebecca Love d 18 Sep 1881 in Lawrence Co, AL - Zach C. Terry, Paster – [zach AT zachterry.org]  T-45
Sons of Joseph Terry are as follows: John William, Henderson Stephen F., Joseph E., Roland, James Monroe, Thomas B. and John Terry.

It is believed Henderson Terry T-3 Henderson Terry, b. c1793 NC,  T-45 Joseph Terry  b Abt. 1806 in NC? and  T-42 Stephen Terry b. abt 1790 NC  m.  Martha Bracken are brothers and the children of Nancy Terry and husband unknown. See Lawrence County Alabama Descendants.  T-45  matches perfectly on the first 12 markers with 13 individuals in the group. Basically, the first 12 DYS marker values which define this group are 13, 23, 15,10,12,15,11,15,12,13,11, 29. As of December, 23, 2007, T-45 matches 25/25 markers to T-42. If the next 12 markers for T-42 are consistent with T-42 markers then the results will match the 37 marker table probability above.  

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Gideon Terry, b abt 1753, d 1821 King William Co., VA m Mary Unknown, bef 1786 James William Terry [jwterry99 AT yahoo.com]   T-16 Male sons of Gideon Terry were named as follows: James E., John, Stephen and William A. Terry.

William A. Terry 1793 - 1851 was the Great Great Grandfather of T-16. His gravestone in St. Louis County, Missouri states he was born in KWC in 1793. He bought land in St. Louis Co. in 1829 and was listed in the 1830-1850 census. He was traced in KWC via personal property tax lists. These lists yielded that his father was Gideon Terry. William Terry was clearly in KWC from 1815 to 1819 since he is listed as son of Gideon. It is not known where he was from 1820 to 1829. There was no 1810 census and he doesn't seem to be in the 1820 census; although there were 3 William Terrys that year. 

T-16 Gideon Terry was a Revolutionary War Veteran - Source: Series: M805 Roll 794 image 607 File: S41237 page 1 of 7. Heritage Quest Online. About half of the images are very faint and unreadable: 

GIDEON TERRY
KING WILLIAM'S COUNTY
PRIVATE
VIRGINIA LINE
$96.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE
$65.83 AMOUNT RECEIVED NOVEMBER 6, 1819
PENSION STARTED AGE 67 
SUSPENDED MAY 1, 1820
Source: Virginia Pension Roll of 1835   Rootsweb  Accessed May 25, 2007

A comparison between T-16 Gideon Terry  and T-24 Benjamin Terry  d. 1771  is shown below. There is a genetic distance of 2 which indicates the individuals are "Tightly Related".  No paper trail exists as far as we know to show the relationship. 

A 37 marker comparison of T-16 Gideon Terry of King William Co VA, T-10 Stephen Terry of Hanover Co VA, T-24 Benjamin Terry of Pittsylvania Co VA and T-42 Stephen Terry of Lawrence Co AL is shown below. They are a genetic distance of 1 from one another defined by FTDNA as "Tightly Related".

One  would expect if  T-38 John W. Terry of Hanover Co VA is related to the T-10 Stephen Terry of Hanover Co VA there would a closer match with this group a genetic distance of 3.  Please note DYS #458 value of 18 and discussion below. T-11 Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC also has this value. See Results for comparison

A comparison between T-16 Gideon Terry of King William Co VA and T-38 John W. Terry of Hanover Co VA is shown below. A genetic distance of 3. For an explanation of Genetic Distance for 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers see Terry DNA page.

T-16 has a mutation at DYS #388 of 14 which apparently occurs much later in the line and no where else in Group 1. DYS #458 value of 18 at first appears to be a pattern in some of the tests; however, T-20 is a documented cousin of T-2 who does not have the marker value of 18. Similarly, at DYS#  CDYa a value of 34 is indicated in some tests. Again, T-20 and T-2 do not have this number and are related so this is not a pattern for a sub group within the group. As we get more tests submitted these markers may be significant for others groupings within the Group 1 lineage. The short answer here is if you rule out DYS#388 as a late mutation T-16 is probably closer to  the Hanover Virginia Terry men than the test suggests. Again, this shows the importance of 67 marker tests and tests which include  traditionally documented branches of a family. Please reference DNA results.

Gideon Terry, b abt 1753, d 1821 King William Co. VA m Mary unknown, bef 1786 - Nancy (Terry) Von Behren [nvonbehren AT msn.com]
See information and discussion above for T-16. Nancy is a new member of DAR on Gideon Terry's service. 

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John (Jack) Terry, Jr. b. c1780 Va. d. Stewart Co. GA m wife last name Mabry - Jack Morris Terry [jmterry AT pdq.net] T-23
The sons of John Terry were as follows: Daniel and John Terry.

A comparison of DNA tests between T-23 John (Jack) Terry, Jr. b. c1780 Va. and T-24 Benjamin Terry d. 1771 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia indicates they are "Tightly Related". FTDNA suggests "Very few people achieve this close level of a match." Traditional documentation does not exist to confirm this relationship, In 2007, given DNA results, Daniel Terry believed to be the son and of  John "Jack" Terry is living next to "genetic" Terry relatives in Stewart County, Georgia in the 1850 census. Daniel Terry who dies in 1864 in Stewart County, Georgia is a brother to David Terry also a son of John "Jack" Terry. 

Robert Terry son of Richard H. Terry and Isabella Powel - [a Great Grandson of Benjamin Terry d. 1771] - Page 116/ Fam1062
John Terry son of Richard H. Terry m. Isabella Powel - [a Great Grandson of Benjamin Terry d. 1771] - Page 116/ Fam1062
James Terry m. Elizabeth Westmoreland - [Son of Nathaniel and Susan Lee Powell and a Great Grandson of Benjamin Terry d. 1771]  - Page 116/ Fam 1056
Richard H. Terry m Isabella Powel - [Son of Robert Terry and Susanna Saunders and a Grandson of  of Benjamin Terry d. 1771] - Page 119/ Fam 1096

Daniel Terry m. Elizabeth Gunn [son of John "Jack" Terry] - Page 57/ Fam 258 Curiously, he names his male sons: Lewis T., George, John T., Nathaniel, David, Peyton Reynolds, Charles Banks and Christopher Terry. Daniel Terry dies 1864 in Stewart County, Georgia.

David Terry m. Susan Forrest  [son of John "Jack" Terry] names his male children: John Jackson, Albert, Daniel W., DeWitt C., James M., George T. and Robert R. Terry.

The fact that Daniel Terry is born in North Carolina and  brother David is born in Georiga is not inconsistent with the pattern of migration of some of Benjamin Terry's d. 1771 children and grandchildren. Some are found in Orange/Caswell, County North Carolina and later in Abbeville District, South Carolina.

Additionally, T-23 John (Jack) Terry, Jr. b. c1780 Va. is genetically related on 67 markers to the following:

T-24 Benjamin Terry, m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com]  - Genetic distance of 2, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.
T-20 Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mary Terry Webster [bee-gard AT att.net]  - Genetic distance of 2, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.
T-11 Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC m. Suvicy Perry - Stephen Terry [sdterry AT eos.ncsu.edu] - Genetic distance of 3, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.
T-16 Gideon Terry, b abt 1753, d 1821 King William Co., VA m Mary Unknown, bef 1786 - James William Terry [jwterry99 AT yahoo.com] - Genetic distance of 3, " Related" according to FTDNA.
T-2  Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mike Terry  [mterry3158 AT sbcglobal.net] Genetic distance of 4, "Related" according to FTDNA.
T-46 William B. Terry, b 1797 d 1878 Orange Co NC m Elizabeth J. Brown 13 Sep 1824 -  David Nicks Terry- [dterry5 AT nc.rr.com] Genetic distance of 4, "Related" according to FTDNA.

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Henry Terry, b. VA, ca 1725 m. Margarat, d. VA., 1784 - Bill Terry [wwilliamdterry AT aol.com]  T-31
Sons named in Will of Henry Terry as follows: Thomas, Barton, Charles and Henry Terry.

Henry Terry died Bet. 08 Dec 1783 - 19 Apr 1784 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia.  Sons named in his Will were as follows: Henry, Thomas, Barton and Charles Terry. His son Rev. Henry Terry, Jr b ca 1741 d 1790 Elbert County, Georgia  m Mary Ann Baldwin. After her husband's death she m the Rev. Charles Webb of Anderson County, South Carolina. Her children removed to Georgia.

The Will of Champness Terry d. 1758 in Louisa County, Virginia names a son Henry Terry. Documents are available which indicates this Champness is the brother of  James Terry. Again, just how Benjamin Terry is related to Henry Terry d ca 1783 is not documented as far as I know.

Now, how the Lawrence County Alabama T-42 Stephen Terry m Martha Bracken is related is unknown. Some think this branch of the Terry family originated in North Carolina. DNA results indicate the trail may lead to Hanover and Pittsylvania County, Virginia as well. 

 A 37 marker test indicates T-31 Henry Terry is "Tightly Related" to T-10, T-24, and T-42

T-10 Stephen Terry,  b ca1700, Hanover CO., VA - Bryan Terry [bryanswork AT yahoo.com]
T-24 Benjamin Terry, m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com]  - Genetic distance of 1, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.
T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 - Billy D. Terry [Cupt104 AT aol.com] - Genetic distance of 1, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.

Henry Terry b c 1737  m Margaret Bibb? d 1784 - Julia Terry [jrterry129 AT windstream.net]
Please see the explanations for T-31 Henry Terry above. Julia Terry a descendant of Henry Terry's son Barton Terry d 1821-1822 has contributed copies of orignal documents for Henry and Barton Terry. 
See the Southside Terry Group page on the TFH website. Barton Terry had sons named: Moses, Barton and David W. Terry.

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• Thomas Terry, b 1723, m Ann(?), d c1804 Louisa Co, VA - David Terry [evad5143 AT yahoo.com]
  • Obadiah Terry b 1756, m Sarah Day, d March 6 1826 Harrison Co. KY
    • William B. Terry b 1785,  m Polly(?), d March 12 1860 Harrison Co. KY
      • James V. Terry b 1823, m1 Harriet Cason m2 Elizabeth Townsend, d October 15 1905 Harrison Co. KY
        • James D. Terry b 1859, m Lucinda Durham c1888, d February 7 1920 Audrain Co. MO
          • Elmer L. Terry b 1898,  m Thelma Jones 1930 d April 25,1962 Cass Co NE T-40
            

Thomas Terry m Ann is listed in this group even though there is only a 12 marker test due to the fact he died in Louisa County Virginia and matches perfectly the first 12 markers with 13 other individuals in Group 1. Basically, the first 12 DYS marker values which define this group are 13, 23, 15,10,12,15,11,15,12,13,11, 29.  The male sons of Thomas Terry are named: Thomas [died in Fayette County, Virginia], Obadiah P. [died in Kentucky], Mills, Elijah and Lewis Terry. There are some Mills family researchers who believe Ann (?) is Ann Mills according to source, Margie Brown.

A new project member in August 2007, T-51 has just been added to this group. This Thomas had sons: John and Thomas A. Terry. 

• Thomas Terry b bef 1775 VA m Sarah Kincaid d bef 07 Jun 1839 Fayette Co VA - Michael Edward Terry [mikeandannterry AT msn.com]
  • John Terry b 1807 Greenbrier Co VA m Nancy H. Benson d 1892 Knox Co IL
    • John Calvin Benson Terry b 1834  IL m Jemima Moats d 1903
      • Estelle Curtis Terry b 1857 Knox Co IL m Laura Myrtle Hoskinson d 1913 Williamson Co TX
        • Glendon Estel Terry b 1894 Williamson Co TX m Ettie Ozella Stewart d 1982 Maricopa Co AZ T-51

          
          

          In comparing 12 markers, the probability that T-51 shared a common ancestor with at least 15 individuals within the last....
          4 generations	8 generations	12 generations	16 generations	20 generations	24 generations
          7.52%	21.02%	35.72%	49.34%	60.99%	70.47%
          *The above numbers are based exclusively on the comparison of their Y-DNA results, which show no mismatches. I believe a generation is considered to be 25 years.

           

T-51 Thomas Terry b bef 1775 VA m Sarah Kincaid d bef 07 Jun 1839 Fayette Co VA with 25 markers tested is a genetic distance of 3 with 9 other individuals in Group I (T-2, T-9, T-10, T-11, T-17, T-24, T-38, T-42, T-50) How closely this relationship continues to hold will be indicated by the additional next 12 marker results. For additional information about this family, please see Greenbrier-Fayette County Virginia Group  on the TFH website.

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William Terry, b Abt. 1744; d about 20 Mar 1804 in Anson Co, NC m  Abt. 1764 Anne Raiford – Hoyt Terry [highstick AT comporium.net] T-43 

William Terry m Anne Raiford matches 67/67 with the modal values for Group 1. He was in Richmond/Anson County, North Carolina where other Terrys were who migrated from Virginia. He is known as the William Terry "East of the Peedee" in many published Terry books. The male sons of William Terry are named: James, Matthew, William and Champess G. Terry. 

• William Terry b ca 1744 NC  m Anne Raiford d bet Mar 1804 – Sep 1805 Anson Co NC - Marcus A. Toney [marctoney AT embarqmail.com]

  • William Terry b ca 1774 NC m Nancy Ann Temple d bet Jul 1836 – Apr 1837 Richmond Co NC

    • John Thomas Temple Cole Terry  b 1816 Richmond Co NC m ?? d 1884 Lawrence Co MS

      • William Harvey Terry b 1865 Covington Co MS m Fannie White d 1922 Franklin Co MS

        • Marcus Clifton Terry b 1900 Lawrence Co MS  m Edna Mae Hutson d 1959 Franklin Co MS

This is another line out of the third son William Terry 1744- 1837.  This William Terry had sons William Raiford, James Luther, John Thomas Temple Cole Terry, Champness P. and John W. Terry. See T-43 discussion above.

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William B. Terry, b 1797 d 1878 Orange Co NC m Elizabeth J. Brown 13 Sep 1824 -  David Nicks Terry  [dterry5 AT nc.rr.com] T-46

William B. Terry had male children named: Bedford Marion and Stephen L. Terry. He married in 1824 Elizabeth J. Brown in Person County, North Carolina. The 1850 Orange County census shows he had six daughters. In 1855, William B. Terry was a Justice of the Peace in Orange County, North Carolina. David N. Terry indicates he has found the hand written name of Hezekiah Terry in the papers of Bedford Marion Terry indicating they were "acquainted". 

Note: It is so nice to see a census taker who followed directions. In the 1860 Orange County NC census he listed the county and state of birth. C. E. Parish indicated on 26 Jun 1860 Hezekiah Terry was born in Granville County, North Carolina and his children at the time were born in Orange County, North Carolina. Hezekiah m 1) Sarah Berry 2) Jane Dunnegan. Earlier in the census for the same year he listed William B. Terry  and his son Bedford Terry who was in the next houshold  were also born in North Carolina.

We are not sure at this point how William B. Terry is related to Benjamin Terry d. 1771. 

Robert Terry and Susanna Saunders [son of Benjamin Terry d. 1771] were married in Caswell (later Orange County) in 1772. They removed to Abbeville District, South Carolina  and both died there between 1794-1800. The DNA test of T-24 Benjamin Terry would suggest this Robert Terry is a "genetic" cousin of William B. Terry. 

David Nicks Terry indicated there is a listing of cemeteries of Orange County, North Carolina at Allen Dew Genealogy  It lists all graves in Orange County with names, dates and pictures of most head stones. Check Little River and Walnut Grove United Methodist for John Lyon Terry and John Rainey Terry. See William Terry picture of field stone  - W. T. b 1797 d1878.

DNA results indicate a relationship with these indivuals on 67 markers:

T-24 Benjamin Terry, m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com]  - Genetic distance of 3, "Related" according to FTDNA.
T-20 Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mary Terry Webster [bee-gard AT att.net]  - Genetic distance of 4, "Related" according to FTDNA.
T-23 John (Jack) Terry, Jr. b. c1780 Va. d. Stewart Co. GA m wife last name Mabry - Jack Morris Terry [jmterry AT pdq.net] Genetic distance of 4, "Related" according to FTDNA.
T-11 Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC m. Suvicy Perry - Stephen Terry [sdterry AT eos.ncsu.edu] - Genetic distance of 5, "Related" according to FTDNA.
T-16 Gideon Terry, b abt 1753, d 1821 King William Co., VA m Mary Unknown, bef 1786 - James William Terry [jwterry99 AT yahoo.com] - Genetic distance of 5, " Related" according to FTDNA.
T-2  Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mike Terry  [mterry3158 AT sbcglobal.net] Genetic distance of 6, "Related" according to FTDNA.

An interesting note to mention here is there is another William Terry b ca 1774 d bef 25 Sep 1808 in Caswell County, North Carolina m Nancy Gooch and had sons named: James, Carr, Rowland, Gideon, Thomas and Mitchell Terry. His sister-in-law Mary Gooch m. James Terry 1768 - 1828 who had sons: William, Joseph, Curtis, James G. and John Terry. This James Terry who d about 1828 was the son of Roland Terry the son of Stephen Terry of Hanover County, Virginia from the top of this segment. Even though they married Gooch sisters, there is no evidence to suggest William Terry d bef 1808 in Caswell County is related to James Terry d about 1828. Is there evidence T-46 William B. Terry is related to Roland Terry and his brother James Terry of Louisa County, Virginia the sons of  T-10 Stephen Terry,  b ca 1700, Hanover CO., VA?  

DNA results below show they are related with a genetic distance of 2 on 37 markers.

T-46 William B. Terry, b 1797 d 1878 Orange Co NC m Elizabeth J. Brown 13 Sep 1824 -  David Nicks Terry- [dterry5 AT nc.rr.com] 
T-10 Stephen Terry,  b ca1700, Hanover CO., VA - Bryan Terry [bryanswork AT yahoo.com]

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• David Terry b. 1772 VA m Nancy E. Jordan d. 1846 Bibb Co. AL - Susan Wells [all3wells1 AT peoplepc.com]
  • John H. Terry 1810 b SC m. Elizabeth Baker
    • Francis Marion Terry b. 1844 AL d Texas, m. Maria(h) E. Todd
      • Annie Belle Terry b.1872 AL m. John L. Guernsey d. Donna, TX 1957                                               
        • Annie Lois Guernsey b. 1915 Donna, TX d. 1993 Barstow CA
          Note by Mike Terry: I do not think Nancy Jordan is correct see article by Margie Brown 
          http://terry-family-historian.com/TFHNOV_DEC1999.htm
          
          
          
• David Terry b ca 1770 SC m Manna F. ?? d 18 Sep - 19 Oct 1846 Bibb Co AL  - Sue (Terry) Schulze [esschulze AT aol.com]
  • John H. Terry, b. 1810, m. Elizabeth Emily Baker
    • Francis Marion Terry, b. 1843 in Bibb Co., AL m. Mariah Elizabeth Todd
      • James Madison Virgil Terry, b. 1880 in Bibb Co., AL m. Bertha Bentley, d. Cherokee Co. TX
        • Bennie Alcaster Terry b. 1910 in Cherokee Co., TX m. Edna Mae McLaughlin, d 2005 T-55
          Note by Mike Terry: I  believe this is the correct listing for David Terry who is listed in the 1810 Sumter County, SC census. David had two daughers who married Risinger men who were in Newberry County from 1800 - 1820 period.  As of 04 Mar 2008 there is a match of 24/24 with Benjamin Terry and Stephen Terry in Chester County, SC. I am waiting on full results to see how close the match is to others in the group.
          
          
• David Terry b Bet. 1770 - 1780, d AL - Michael Terry [Swine70 AT houston.rr.com]
  • John H. Terry, b c1810  SC, d Aft. 1858 AL
    • George Washington Terry, b 20 Dec 1852 Perry or Shelby Co. AL, d 04 May 1916 Smith Co. TX
      • Hubert Young Terry, Sr.  b 07 Jan 1882 AL, d 25 Oct 1969 Whitehouse, Smith Co. TX

   

• John Franklin Gilbert  b 27 April 1857 in Lee County, VA  - Helen Thrasher [dockieoo AT bellsouth.net] G-1 
  Note: John Franklin Gilbert (illegitimate) took his mother’s surname.  He was born 27 April 1857 in Lee County, VA.  I have copy of the birth register.  He moved to Carter County, KY, ca 1858, and to Bibb County , AL , in the 1880s.  - Helen Thrasher
  
  
• William M. Terry, Sr b 1796 VA lived KY m(1) Mary "Molley" Fletcher d Jefferson Co MO 26 Sep 1864 - Gloria Terry [gloriaT AT cablelynx.com]
  • William T. Terry b 1834 KY m Sarah Elizabeth Price d before 1900 prob Madison Co MO
    • William L. Terry b Jul 1867 Madison Co MO; removed to TX 1880 m 1896 Cass Co TX  Ola Logan
      • Robert Joe Terry b 1910 Tarrant Co TX m private T-58
  William M. Terry m(1) Mary "Molley" Fletcher about 1829 in Kentucky; m(2) Sarah Belew after 1837 m(3) Catherine Brown. No children by m(3). Sons of m(1) were: James W. Terry b 1830 KY, William T. Terry b 1834 KY, Thomas J. Terry b 1835 KY and George T.Terry b 20 mar 1837 MO. The m(2) only had daughters.

  Mary Fletcher had a brother John F. Fletcher b 1808 in Kentucky who was in Jefferson Co MO for several decades and several of the Terry sons lived with them at times in Jefferson Co MO and he was a miner at Valle Mines as was several of the Terry siblings.

  While we do not have enough markers to make a full comparison, T-13 who had children in Barren Co KY for many years is a close match. T-13 is not a part of Group 1

  
  

  William M. Terry, Sr b 1796 VA	T-58	I1b	13	23	15	10	12	15	11	15	12	12	11	28
  Stephen Terry d 1825 Botetourt Co VA	T-13	I1b	13	23	15	11	12	15	11	15	12	12	11	28

   
  At DYS 389-2 both have 28 and this does not appear in any of the other I1b group of Southside Terry men....

  
  

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This information contains traditional proofs for the connection of the group to Stephen Terry of Hanover County, Virginia

Hanover County, Virginia references in records of Granville County, North Carolina

Granville Co. NC Deed Book B, Page 162: 8 Dec. 1752 Richard Harris of Granville Co. NC. to Stephen Terry of Hanover Co., Va. 400 Acres on West Side of Nutbush (Creek) adj. Norwood and Homes. Wit: Sam'l Henderson, Richd. Coleman, James Byers. Recorded 6 March 1753

Granville Co. NC Deed Book F, Page 222: 8 Feb 1762 May Court 1763, Stephen Terry of St. Martin's Parish, Hanover Co.,Va. to his sons James Terry and Rowland Terry, for love and affection, a gift of 400 acres in Granville Co. NC  land Stephen Terry bought from Richard Harriss; James to have 200 acres not including the plantation and Rowland to have 200 acres including the plantation and spring. Wit: Thomas Doswell, John Doswell, William Byars (Jurat).

This is the proof for Hanover County, Virginia to  Granville County, North Carolina connection for T-10. Copy of actual deeds are in possession of T-2 sent to me by T-11.

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Granville County References in records of Chester County, South Carolina

Abstracts of Stephen Terry memorials and plats in Craven County SC

Royal grant from Lord Charles Montague to Stephen Terry. Granted 200 A on the Caney Fork of a Creek called Sandy River on the Saluda Road between Broad and Catawba Rivers in Craven Co. SC--10? Jul 1762. Note: Fifty-two acres of this land granted to William Morris by son of Stephen: John Terry 1752-1834).--Jan 1793.

Stephen Terry and wife, formerly Susannah Glover, both of St. Marks Parish, Craven Co., SC sell to James McClure of same, 150 acres on S. fork of  Fishing Creek. Charleston Co. SC, Miscellaneous Records, M-3, p. 498--17 Feb 1769. [This was George Glover's land -- her deceased husband. She had married the widower Stephen Terry about 1767.] In the deed it mentions Stephen Terry was a carpenter and James McCluer a Planter. [Both Stephen Terry and James McCluer are in the line of T-2]

Letters of administration to Susannah Glover wife of George Glover, late of Fishing Creek. Probate Records of SC Vol. 3, p. 26-- compiled by Brent Holcomb.

Susannah Glover Terry granted letters of administration for Stephen Terry, late of St. David's Parish, Craven Co., SC. South Carolina Historical & Genealogical Magazine. Vol. 44, p. 48--14 Mar 1770.

Susannah Glover was the second wife of Stephen Terry d. 1769. She was the widow of George Glover and the daughter of Robert Mitchell of Granville Co. NC. Both the Glover and Mitchell families were in Granville County NC in the 1750?s. Stephen and Susannah had no issue.

There is no record I have found which shows the 200 acres of land on Caney fork of Sandy River  was transferred to son John Terry. According to South Carolina law at the time, as the oldest son, John Terry was heir to the land as Stephen Terry died in intestate i.e. no valid Will. The land is in present day Chester County near Chester, SC and John Terry is buried there.
 
This is the last information that shows proofs for the Chester-Craven County family of Stephen and his son John Terry. This is proofs for T-2.

It appears that these families are related from DNA tests results. It does not necessarily suggest this is the same Stephen Terry in both cases. Just that there is a common ancestor between several members of Group 1 with Stephen Terry of Hanover County, Virginia who we know resided in Hanover County, Virginia from 1752-1762 as well as Benjamin Terry ca 1700-1771 of Pittsylvania County, Virginia. As of April, 2007 we have enough tests to suggest a modal baseline for Group 1.

We have yet to have a male test from Edgefield or Fairfield SC Terry families. These former groups are also possibly related per the research of the late Jay Terry of Orem, Utah.


Knowing that T-2 Stephen Terry, b ca 1724 m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC and T-10 Stephen Terry,  b ca 1700, Hanover CO., VA could not have had a common ancestor in the last 8 generations, their 37 marker comparison shows that the probability that they shared a common ancestor within the last... Note: in 2006-2007 Family Tree introduced the 67 marker test which allow for more precision in comparing DNA markers between two male Terry individuals.

The FTDNATiP results are based on the mutation rate study presented during the 1st International Conference on Genetic Genealogy, on Oct. 30, 2004. The above probabilities take into consideration the mutation rates for each individual marker being compared.
  
Since each marker has a different mutation rate, identical Genetic Distances will not necessarily yield the same probabilities. In other words, even though T-10 has a Genetic Distance of 1 from T-2, someone else with the same Genetic Distance may have different probabilities, because the distance of 1 was prompted by mutations in different markers, with different mutation rates.