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TERRY LINEAGE GROUP 1 - Discussion

Haplogroup I2a

(This is of course a work in progress)

Southside Virginia refers to the south-central part of the state, roughly bounded by the James River on the north, the Blue Ridge Mountains on the west, and the South Hampton Roads area on the east. The major center of the "Southside Virginia" area is generally considered to be Danville. It appears most of the families in this group are genetically early Terry families in the region called "Southside Virginia".  Source: Wikpedia the Free Encyclopedia 

Individuals in this group who have DNA tested as of June 19,  2008: T-2, T-3, T-9, T-10,T-11, T-16, T-17, T-18, T-20, T-21, T-23, T-24, T-31, T-38, T-40, T-42, T-43, T-45, T-46, T-50, T-51, T-55 and T-57. 

Stephen Terry,  b ca1700, Hanover CO., VA - Bryan Terry [bterry AT altlngusa.com] T-10
Stephen had documented sons from deeds as follows: James Terry and Roland Terry.

Based on DNA evidence and documentation this particular Stephen Terry is related to everyone in the group. We are unable at this point to determine who his father might be. There are documents in Hanover and Louisa County Virginia tying this man to descendants in Granville County, North Carolina. His age is estimated based on the estimated ages of two of his male children: James d. 1783 Louisa Co. Virginia and Rowland Terry later of Granville County, North Carolina. There is no evidence indicating Stephen Terry of Hanover ever lived in Granville Co. North Carolina. This Stephen Terry d. after 1763 and before 1783 as his son James Terry in his Will [Louisa Co. Virginia Book 2, page 493 written 11 Aug 1783 and proven 11 Aug 1783] indicates “that my wife possess during her life that part of my estate that falls to me in the division of my father’s estate….”  

Roland or Rowland Terry's ancestors migrated from Granville County, North Carolina to Jackson/Putnam Counties, Tennessee. There are many descendants in this area today. The late Jay Terry of Orem, Utah and the late Woodford Terry of Oakridge, Tennessee are of this line. Both T-24 Benjamin Terry  b. ca 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] and T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 match on 37/37 markers with T-10. The link to the right will take you to: Granville County Records. 

• Roland D. Terry b 20 Jul 1874 Dallas Co AL m Mary Ann Hooks d 10 Oct 1951 Bullock Co AL - Spurgeon Terry [spurgeon AT md.metrocast.net]
  • Spurgeon D. Terry b 25 Feb 1899 Perry Co AL m Faytie Lee Dailey d 15 Nov 1960 T-50

Roland D. Terry lived his entire life in Alabama. His parents are unproven at this time; however, he matches perfectly on the first 12 markers with 13 individuals in the group. Basically, the first 12 DYS marker values which define this group are 13, 23, 15,10,12,15,11,15,12,13,11, 29. On the 37 marker test he is a 100 percent match with T-10, T-24, and T-42. A genetic distance of 0 indicates these individualas are  "Tightly Related" according to Family Tree DNA. We are awaiting death certificate information which may name his parents. 

John W. Terry, b between 1808-1810 VA d 28 Nov 1884 Hanover Co. VA - Richard W. Terry, Jr. [rickterry349 AT adelphia.net] T-38

John W. Terry lived his entire life in Hanover County, Virginia. His parents are unknown; however, he matches perfectly on the first 12 markers with 13 individuals in the group. Basically, the first 12 DYS marker values which define this group are 13, 23, 15,10,12,15,11,15,12,13,11, 29.  We now have 37 marker test for T-38 and a comparison with T-20 is shown.. 

This result seems to confirm a close relationship between Stephen Terry d. 1769 in South Carolina and the Hanover County, Virginia John Terry with a genetic distance of 1 or "Tightly Related". A genetic distance of 2 exists or "Related" between T-38 and T-9 George W. Terry, T-10 Rowland Terry, T-11  Josiah or Joseph Terry, T-24 Benjamin Terry and T-42 Stephen Terry and suggests a relationship with the Pittsylvania/Halifax County, Virginia Terrys. Of course, we do have documents concerning Stephen Terry who died sometime between 1763-1783 of Hanover who deeded property in Granville County, North Carolina to his son Rowland Terry T-10 and James Terry of Louisa. This is of course not the T-2 and T-20 Stephen Terry who died in 1769 in Craven or Chester County, South Carolina. However, they are genetically related as results indicate.

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Benjamin Terry, b c 1701 m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com] T-24
Benjamin Terry had documented sons in his Will of 1771 as follows: Nathaniel, Benjamin, Peter, Joseph and Robert Terry.

Benjamin Terry is one of the oldest "documented" Terry ancestors in the group from Virginia and he perfectly matches the modal values for Group 1 indicating he is the closest match to the MRCA (Most recent common ancestor) for the whole group. Benjamin’s oldest son Nathaniel Terry (1725-1778) married Sarah Royall. Nathaniel Terry was a member of the House of Burgesses and of the House of Delegates. He died, Halifax County, Virginia. This older Benjamin Terry had a daughter Sarah Terry who married Champness Terry, the son of Joseph Terry died about Dec 1785 Pittsylvania County, Virginia and his wife Judith Crawford. This Champness Terry died between 1775 and 1779 in South Carolina. Champness and Sarah had a son also named Champness (1772-1820) who died in St. Helena Parish, Louisiana. 

The link to the right will take you to records about Benjamin Terry: South Side Terry Families

Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson]  - Margie Brown - [mgbrown105@aol.com]
See notes above for T-24.

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Stephen Terry, b ca 1700 VA d aft Feb 1762 - William P. Terry [wterry AT dccnet.com] T-21
This person has only tested 12 markers; however, documents are available indicating he is a traditional cousin of T-10. For this reason he is included in Group 1. In addition he has a double Terry line as both his maternal and paternal Terry ancestors were related.

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Stephen Terry, b ca 1724 m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Robert Mike Terry [mterry3158 AT sbcglobal.net] T-2
Stephen Terry had documented sons as follows: John who died in Chester County, South Carolina and Benjamin Terry who died in Abbeville County, South Carolina..

This is the Co-Coordinator of the Terry DNA Project and former editor of the Terry Family Historian. Web master for the Terry Family Historian web site. See the notes for the same individual below for my cousin Mary Webster T-20.

Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mary Terry Webster [bee-gard AT att.net] T-20
The male individuals who tested in this study T-2 and T-20 are 3^rd cousins twice removed. Their most recent common ancestor is known and there is a definite date of 1788 which is the year of birth for Major Stephen Terry later of Atlanta, Georgia. The estimated age of this older Stephen Terry is based on the age of his first son John Terry (1752-1834) of Chester County, South Carolina.  There is no indication in records I have seen in 30 or more years of research indicating where the family originated from in the American Colonies. Obviously, now in 2006-2007 we know it is Virginia. We know this older Stephen Terry was a carpenter and received early grants in Craven County now Chester County, South Carolina in 1762.  The older Stephen Terry married the widow of George Glover, Susannah Glover nee Mitchell, shortly after his wife Sarah died. It is important to note both George Glover and Susannah Mitchell’s parents were of Granville, North Carolina.  The last name of Sarah the first wife of this older Stephen Terry is not known. Some have suggested Sarah Davis and Sarah Fuqua neither of which I believe to be true.

Note by Mike Terry, the editor: I think the benefits of the 67 marker update are apparent several places in Group 1. There are mutations that happened in my family after 1788 as I stated above. My cousin’s test (T-20) is much closer to Benjamin Terry (T-24) than mine. On 67 markers my test shows a genetic distance between (T-2 and T-24) of 3 and conversely I am a genetic distance of 4 with my documented cousin (T-2 and T-20). However, T-20 my cousin and T-24 are a genetic distance of 2. If you look at the specific markers where T-20 differs from T-24, you will notice T-2 markers are congruent with T-24 in those places. Without the additional markers we would not have known this. I believe this is also true for the Lawrence Co. Alabama Terry descendants who have tested in Group 1. Some of them have mutations later in the lines and some are closer to Benjamin Terry T-24 as well. I suspect if these men upgrade you will also be able to see where the mutations may have occurred. Many of the differences are in the red marker areas where we would expect faster mutations. -- This leads me to think some of us are much closer than the actual test results may suggest in Group 1.

The FTDNATiP results are based on the mutation rate study presented during the 1st International Conference on Genetic Genealogy, on Oct. 30, 2004. The above probabilities take into consideration the mutation rates for each individual marker being compared.

Stephen Terry, d. 12 Dec 1769, Chester Co., SC, m.(1) Sarah ____ - Stephen Mark Hunter [markhunterbburg AT yahoo.com]
This individual is a cousin of T-20 and T-2. Mark Hunter is related through both Benjamin Terry (1755 – 1831) and John Terry (1752-1834) sons of Stephen Terry d. 1769. Both his Hunter and Terry families removed from Chester County to Abbeville County, South Carolina and were there for several years after 1830. This Benjamin Terry did marry 05 Aug 1777, Susannah Caruthers in Guilford County, North Carolina. As far as we know, this Benjamin Terry had no male heirs and his daughter Sarah Terry married her first cousin Jeremiah Sealy Terry (1778-1823), the son of John (1752-1834) by his first wife Sarah Sealy (1757-1778).

For an excellent insight into plantation life at the time see Mark Hunter's website about family of Alexander Hunter.

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William Hamilton Terry, b. ca 1824 Limestone Co. AL m Evelina Tabitha Taylor d. ca 1885 Madison Co TN - Carolyn Kemp [chilkoot AT speednetllc.com] T-17
The sons of William Hamilton Terry are as follows: William Webster, James H. and John Terry. 

It is not known how this person fits in with any known documents; however, the ancestor is a perfect 37/37 or genetic distance of 0 match with T-2 Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC. The family of William H. Terry migrates from Limestone County, Alabama to Tennessee where we also find other Terry's from Lawrence County and Limestone County, Alabama. A comparison of T-17 with T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 is also shown below. See Lawrence County, Alabama family of Elisha Terry.

The FTDNATiP results are based on the mutation rate study presented during the 1st International Conference on Genetic Genealogy, on Oct. 30, 2004. The above probabilities take into consideration the mutation rates for each individual marker being compared.

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Stephen Terry, b 1787 NC m. Martha Patience Breeland - Kay Terry [terry5613 AT bellsouth.net] T-18
Sons of Stephen Terry are as follows; Sanford Raimey and Abraham Breeland Terry.

This individual (T-18) is a genetic distance of 3 on 37 markers with T-10 Stephen Terry, b ca 1700 VA d aft Feb 1762;  T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA; T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 and T-46 William B. Terry, b 1797 d 1878 Orange Co NC.

Benjamin Terry had a daughter Sarah Terry who married Champness Terry, the son of Joseph Terry died about Dec 1785 Pittsylvania County, Virginia and his wife Judith Crawford. This Champness Terry died between 1775 and 1779 in South Carolina. Champness and Sarah had a son also named Champness (ca 1772-1820) who died in St. Helena Parish, Louisiana. His wife Hanna Musgrove is in the 1840 census of Washington Parish LA. He had a number of slave purchases/sales from this area 1803-1818 Afro-Louisiana History and Genealogy 1718-1820.  Type the name Terry in the Master's name search box and you will see Champness was buying slaves from a William Coleman. Stephen Terry (T-18) is in the St. Tammany Parish census in 1840. St. Tammany included what is now Washington Parish (1819) and Tangiapahoa Parish (1869).

While we have no documentation these Terry men are related; I would suggest they would probably be "genetic cousins" if we were to find male Terry descendants. 

The link to the right will take you to records about Benjamin Terry: South Side Terry Families  The information about the Champness Terry and Hanna Musgrove family was from Margie Brown. 

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Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC m. Suvicy Perry - Stephen Terry [sdterry AT eos.ncsu.edu] T-11
Sons of Josiah Terry are as follows: William H., James Anderson and Joseph Terry.

This individual Terry  family has been in the Wake County, North Carolina area for generations. T-11 has a genetic distance of 1 with T-20 Stephen Terry, b ca 1724 m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC. There are no documents indicating any relationship between the families. Josiah is sometimes noted as Joseph Terry in the records of Wake County. A comparison of T-11 Josiah Terry with T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] indicates a genetic distance of 2. The link to the right will take you to records concerning this family: Wake County, North Carolina Records.

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George W. Terry b 1805 NC, m Ada Elam d. 1841 Panola Co. MS - C. Morris Terry [hildieterry AT aol.com] T-9
Sons of George W. Terry are as follows: William E. and Robert Terry

The ancestor  of this family is unknown. At one time it was thought the family might be related to the Lawrence Co. Alabama group. Recent tests indicate this may still be true. On a 37 marker comparison T-9 George W. Terry b 1805 NC is a genetic distance of 1 (tightly related) with T-20 Stephen Terry, b ca 1724 m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC and a genetic distance of 2 (related) with T-10 Stephen Terry, b ca 1700 VA d aft Feb 1762, T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] , T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 and T-11 Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC m. Suvicy Perry . This means he is closer to the modal values of Benjamin Terry and Stephen Terry m. Martha Bracken.

? Terry, b. c1760 VA - James L Terry [JTerry4772 AT aol.com]
Henderson Terry, b. c1793 NC, d. c1855, Lawrence Co., AL T-3

It is believed Henderson Terry T-3, Joseph T-45 and Stephen Terry T-42 are brothers and the children of Nancy Terry and husband unknown. See Lawrence County Alabama Descendants. James L. Terry has large database of descendants of Nancy Terry and her husband.

Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825 - Billy D. Terry [Cupt104 AT aol.com] T-42
Stephen Terry had sons as follows: William C., John Franklin, Thomas, Stephen,  John Tobe, Edward, Squire Coleman and John H. Terry.

It is believed Henderson Terry T-3, Joseph T-45 and Stephen Terry T-42 are brothers and the children of Nancy Terry and husband unknown. See Lawrence County Alabama Descendants. There is a very large contingent of Terry descendants out of this Alabama county. 

This seems to be born out by the DNA results to date which is to be expected as there is traditional documentation to support the family ties. 

 A genetic distance of  0 on 37 markers between T-42 Stephen Terry b ca 1790 m ca 1810 Martha Bracken d abt 1825, T-10 Stephen Terry,  b ca1700, Hanover CO., VA and  T-24 Benjamin Terry  b c 1700 d. 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA is very interesting suggesting these men are "related". Prior to the test by T-42,  T-3 did not seem to be a very close match. It suggests there were mutations in the family of T-3 Henderson Terry occurring in later generations. It would be very interesting to see how increased testing by members in the Lawrence County, Alabama Group might match the modal values for Group 1.

Stephen Terry b. abt 1790 NC  m.  Martha Bracken - Sharon T. Engle [sengle00 AT aol.com]

See discussion for T-3, T-42 and T-45.

Joseph Terry  b Abt. 1806 in NC? m 11 Sep 1832 Rebecca Love d 18 Sep 1881 in Lawrence Co, AL - Zach C. Terry, Paster – [zach AT lanbaptist.org]  T-45
Sons of Joseph Terry are as follows: John William, Henderson Stephen F., Joseph E., Roland, James Monroe, Thomas B. and John Terry.

It is believed Henderson Terry T-3 Henderson Terry, b. c1793 NC,  T-45 Joseph Terry  b Abt. 1806 in NC? and  T-42 Stephen Terry b. abt 1790 NC  m.  Martha Bracken are brothers and the children of Nancy Terry and husband unknown. See Lawrence County Alabama Descendants.  T-45  matches perfectly on the first 12 markers with 13 individuals in the group. Basically, the first 12 DYS marker values which define this group are 13, 23, 15,10,12,15,11,15,12,13,11, 29. As of December, 23, 2007, T-45 matches 25/25 markers to T-42. If the next 12 markers for T-42 are consistent with T-42 markers then the results will match the 37 marker table probability above.  

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Gideon Terry, b abt 1753, d 1821 King William Co., VA m Mary Unknown, bef 1786 James William Terry [jwterry99 AT yahoo.com]   T-16 Male sons of Gideon Terry were named as follows: James E., John, Stephen and William A. Terry.

William A. Terry 1793 - 1851 was the Great Great Grandfather of T-16. His gravestone in St. Louis County, Missouri states he was born in KWC in 1793. He bought land in St. Louis Co. in 1829 and was listed in the 1830-1850 census. He was traced in KWC via personal property tax lists. These lists yielded that his father was Gideon Terry. William Terry was clearly in KWC from 1815 to 1819 since he is listed as son of Gideon. It is not known where he was from 1820 to 1829. There was no 1810 census and he doesn't seem to be in the 1820 census; although there were 3 William Terrys that year. 

T-16 Gideon Terry was a Revolutionary War Veteran - Source: Series: M805 Roll 794 image 607 File: S41237 page 1 of 7. Heritage Quest Online. About half of the images are very faint and unreadable: 

GIDEON TERRY
KING WILLIAM'S COUNTY
PRIVATE
VIRGINIA LINE
$96.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE
$65.83 AMOUNT RECEIVED NOVEMBER 6, 1819
PENSION STARTED AGE 67 
SUSPENDED MAY 1, 1820
Source: Virginia Pension Roll of 1835   Rootsweb  Accessed May 25, 2007

A comparison between T-16 Gideon Terry  and T-24 Benjamin Terry  d. 1771  is shown below. There is a genetic distance of 2 which indicates the individuals are "Tightly Related".  No paper trail exists as far as we know to show the relationship. 

A 37 marker comparison of T-16 Gideon Terry of King William Co VA, T-10 Stephen Terry of Hanover Co VA, T-24 Benjamin Terry of Pittsylvania Co VA and T-42 Stephen Terry of Lawrence Co AL is shown below. They are a genetic distance of 1 from one another defined by FTDNA as "Tightly Related".

One  would expect if  T-38 John W. Terry of Hanover Co VA is related to the T-10 Stephen Terry of Hanover Co VA there would a closer match with this group a genetic distance of 3.  Please note DYS #458 value of 18 and discussion below. T-11 Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC also has this value. See Results for comparison

A comparison between T-16 Gideon Terry of King William Co VA and T-38 John W. Terry of Hanover Co VA is shown below. A genetic distance of 3. For an explanation of Genetic Distance for 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers see Terry DNA page.

T-16 has a mutation at DYS #388 of 14 which apparently occurs much later in the line and no where else in Group 1. DYS #458 value of 18 at first appears to be a pattern in some of the tests; however, T-20 is a documented cousin of T-2 who does not have the marker value of 18. Similarly, at DYS#  CDYa a value of 34 is indicated in some tests. Again, T-20 and T-2 do not have this number and are related so this is not a pattern for a sub group within the group. As we get more tests submitted these markers may be significant for others groupings within the Group 1 lineage. The short answer here is if you rule out DYS#388 as a late mutation T-16 is probably closer to  the Hanover Virginia Terry men than the test suggests. Again, this shows the importance of 67 marker tests and tests which include  traditionally documented branches of a family. Please reference DNA results.

Gideon Terry, b abt 1753, d 1821 King William Co. VA m Mary unknown, bef 1786 - Nancy (Terry) Von Behren [nvonbehren AT msn.com]
See information and discussion above for T-16. Nancy is a new member of DAR on Gideon Terry's service. 

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John (Jack) Terry, Jr. b. c1780 Va. d. Stewart Co. GA m wife last name Mabry - Jack Morris Terry [jmterry AT pdq.net] T-23
The sons of John Terry were as follows: Daniel and John Terry.

A comparison of DNA tests between T-23 John (Jack) Terry, Jr. b. c1780 Va. and T-24 Benjamin Terry d. 1771 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia indicates they are "Tightly Related". FTDNA suggests "Very few people achieve this close level of a match." Traditional documentation does not exist to confirm this relationship, In 2007, given DNA results, Daniel Terry believed to be the son and of  John "Jack" Terry is living next to "genetic" Terry relatives in Stewart County, Georgia in the 1850 census. Daniel Terry who dies in 1864 in Stewart County, Georgia is a brother to David Terry also a son of John "Jack" Terry. 

Robert Terry son of Richard H. Terry and Isabella Powel - [a Great Grandson of Benjamin Terry d. 1771] - Page 116/ Fam1062
John Terry son of Richard H. Terry m. Isabella Powel - [a Great Grandson of Benjamin Terry d. 1771] - Page 116/ Fam1062
James Terry m. Elizabeth Westmoreland - [Son of Nathaniel and Susan Lee Powell and a Great Grandson of Benjamin Terry d. 1771]  - Page 116/ Fam 1056
Richard H. Terry m Isabella Powel - [Son of Robert Terry and Susanna Saunders and a Grandson of  of Benjamin Terry d. 1771] - Page 119/ Fam 1096

Daniel Terry m. Elizabeth Gunn [son of John "Jack" Terry] - Page 57/ Fam 258 Curiously, he names his male sons: Lewis T., George, John T., Nathaniel, David, Peyton Reynolds, Charles Banks and Christopher Terry. Daniel Terry dies 1864 in Stewart County, Georgia.

David Terry m. Susan Forrest  [son of John "Jack" Terry] names his male children: John Jackson, Albert, Daniel W., DeWitt C., James M., George T. and Robert R. Terry.

The fact that Daniel Terry is born in North Carolina and  brother David is born in Georiga is not inconsistent with the pattern of migration of some of Benjamin Terry's d. 1771 children and grandchildren. Some are found in Orange/Caswell, County North Carolina and later in Abbeville District, South Carolina.

Additionally, T-23 John (Jack) Terry, Jr. b. c1780 Va. is genetically related on 67 markers to the following:

T-24 Benjamin Terry, m Elizabeth [probably Dickerson] d 1771 Pittsylvania Co. VA - David K. Terry [dkt4ster AT hotmail.com]  - Genetic distance of 2, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.
T-20 Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mary Terry Webster [bee-gard AT att.net]  - Genetic distance of 2, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.
T-11 Josiah Terry, b. c1800 NC m. Suvicy Perry - Stephen Terry [sdterry AT eos.ncsu.edu] - Genetic distance of 3, "Tightly Related" according to FTDNA.
T-16 Gideon Terry, b abt 1753, d 1821 King William Co., VA m Mary Unknown, bef 1786 - James William Terry [jwterry99 AT yahoo.com] - Genetic distance of 3, " Related" according to FTDNA.
T-2  Stephen Terry, m Sarah ??, d 19 Dec 1769 Craven Co. SC - Mike Terry  [mterry3158 AT sbcglobal.net] Genetic distance of 4, "Related" according to FTDNA.
T-46 William B. Terry, b 1797 d 1878 Orange Co NC m Elizabeth J. Brown 13 Sep 1824 -  David Nicks Terry- [dterry5 AT nc.rr.com] Genetic distance of 4, "Related" according to FTDNA.

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Henry Terry, b. VA, ca 1725 m. Margarat, d. VA., 1784 - Bill [wwilliamdterry AT aol.com]